tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post8512543048749359930..comments2023-12-29T01:08:02.965+00:00Comments on The ferret fancier: Dear Joe Public - the doctor strike factsGarth Marenghihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07373175498875348430noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-9020081547028221412012-06-07T10:45:26.232+01:002012-06-07T10:45:26.232+01:00Two wrongs don't make a rightTwo wrongs don't make a rightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-8615341226272748112012-06-06T17:57:40.626+01:002012-06-06T17:57:40.626+01:00As I understand it, the maximum proposed pension c...As I understand it, the maximum proposed pension contribution to the NHS scheme is 10.9% for those earning over £110,273 per annum. Lower increases apply below this.<br /><br />Police officers on salaries of over £60,000 already pay 12.5% and their proposals take this up to 15%.<br /><br />It does seem that, in regard to the police, your statement that they "are not being asked to pay Old Codgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-48305305477243640952012-06-05T11:01:15.347+01:002012-06-05T11:01:15.347+01:00I am sorry
but judges/teachers/MPs/policeman/civi...I am sorry<br /><br />but judges/teachers/MPs/policeman/civil servants are not being asked to pay anything like doctors<br /><br />this is simple and a factGarth Marenghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07373175498875348430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-69363959509225725442012-06-03T23:32:17.281+01:002012-06-03T23:32:17.281+01:00And the very best for you too, thank you
:-)And the very best for you too, thank you <br />:-)Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09558370387772079822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-88708385350160404812012-06-03T21:25:03.239+01:002012-06-03T21:25:03.239+01:00Hi Sam,
Thanks for your comments. I don't th...Hi Sam,<br /><br />Thanks for your comments. I don't think we are that far apart.<br /><br />All the best.Old Codgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-10544601545218693072012-06-03T15:55:39.368+01:002012-06-03T15:55:39.368+01:00Any particular reason why you deleted my post rath...Any particular reason why you deleted my post rather than argue/debate with it?JoeEverybodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-84509192029821499282012-06-02T23:43:47.723+01:002012-06-02T23:43:47.723+01:00Old Codger "As an apprentice, the company did...Old Codger "As an apprentice, the company did pay for my continuing education and exams, as long as I was successful. If I had failed I would have had to pay my own way until a pass was achieved."<br /><br />It still happens Old Codger, in good companies who spend to retain good staff :-)<br /><br />As for docs would have been worse off in the private sector, I beg to differ, they are, Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09558370387772079822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-89130056055349164962012-06-02T23:11:02.203+01:002012-06-02T23:11:02.203+01:00Dr Phil "We all want more money"
No ...Dr Phil "We all want more money"<br /><br />No 'we' don't Dr Philyerboots, by that I mean you and myself, you being happy with what you have achieved, as you always say, and myself being only a parent of young doctors who is happy for you, and wants to see her children and all their generation of young doctors have the opportunity you had, then it is up to them what to do Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09558370387772079822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-88921586458192874362012-06-02T22:52:09.419+01:002012-06-02T22:52:09.419+01:00Superficially english doctors appear well paid but...Superficially english doctors appear well paid but we have less than half the number of doctors that other countries have per thousand of population.<br /><br />In other words we are paid well because we do much more. Personally I would rather have a better work life balance. I am no longer full time because it is enough work for two doctors. I am half time and only earn half that of my partners Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-52823149653116322152012-06-02T22:48:40.851+01:002012-06-02T22:48:40.851+01:00Sam:
everybody does not get their professional d...Sam: <br /><br />everybody does not get their professional development exams and the like paid for by their bosses. This is long ago but I doubt it has changed for the better. As an apprentice, the company did pay for my continuing education and exams, as long as I was successful. If I had failed I would have had to pay my own way until a pass was achieved. Once my apprenticeship was completeOld Codgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-83836401835731100412012-06-02T22:47:39.812+01:002012-06-02T22:47:39.812+01:00Garth:
part 2
I can't comment on the level o...Garth:<br /><br />part 2<br /><br />I can't comment on the level of contributions across the public sector and you may well be correct at the moment.<br /><br />I admit I was thing primarily of GPs and do apologise. It may well be that junior doctors have suffered as you describe but they cannot be too far out of line with more senior doctors and GPs.<br /><br />I do not believe comparison Old Codgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-54016192361184079332012-06-02T22:46:11.105+01:002012-06-02T22:46:11.105+01:00Garth:
Seems you have a post size limit so I am h...Garth:<br /><br />Seems you have a post size limit so I am having to post in stages<br /><br />You might consider them strange points but:<br /><br />I wondered why I could find nothing on the doctors pension fund. I found out, there is no such thing it is the NHS pension scheme and the proposals apply to the scheme, not just to doctors.<br /><br />There is no fund, the scheme is "pay as Old Codgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-85316917898107153152012-06-02T20:07:34.637+01:002012-06-02T20:07:34.637+01:00Dear Sam and Garth,
The figure for comparing doct...Dear Sam and Garth,<br /><br />The figure for comparing doctors salaries across countries can be found here( admittedly a little old as the consultants are calculated on the basis of the old contract, compared with the more lucrative new contract) http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/foi_doctorsandnurses_2006.htm<br /><br />These figures are corrected for purchase price parity to adjust for each Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-8113311474320127622012-06-02T13:39:39.216+01:002012-06-02T13:39:39.216+01:00well said
I will delete comments that spout factu...well said<br /><br />I will delete comments that spout factual inaccuracies and accuse doctors of being no more intelligent than nurses, as they are so foolish they will not be toleratedGarth Marenghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07373175498875348430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-11872690858737936942012-06-02T13:14:18.521+01:002012-06-02T13:14:18.521+01:00Well the figures for all the Russell group graduat...Well the figures for all the Russell group graduates are out there to compare starting salaries, and salaries, plus bonuses, three years on, or by the time a medic graduates after 6 years in college. Even try to compare to other health professionals pay, not forgetting the high academic requirements of medicine and the double length of study too. Of course, everybody whether private or private Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09558370387772079822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-84118295384537395132012-06-02T07:49:03.117+01:002012-06-02T07:49:03.117+01:00Dear Gareth,
The doctors are at present in surplu...Dear Gareth,<br /><br />The doctors are at present in surplus to the treasury of £2 billion, making a net contribution to the exchequer at present, but this is projected to substantially reverse over the next few years. There will be a wave of retirements soon brought about by a combination of medical demographics (see bad medicine passim), desire to get out under the old pension terms and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-59748937103925652122012-06-01T17:14:48.812+01:002012-06-01T17:14:48.812+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-84390550329718010052012-06-01T13:21:01.205+01:002012-06-01T13:21:01.205+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Joe everybodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-74552417508589282372012-06-01T08:07:03.407+01:002012-06-01T08:07:03.407+01:00anonymous 1- I agree, our PR machinery needs to be...anonymous 1- I agree, our PR machinery needs to be better, GP pay is nowhere near that reported in the media on the whole<br /><br />old codger - so many strange points that I will comment on the main ones<br /><br />- the pension fund is in surplus, like it or not, that's the way it is!<br /><br />- it is being selectively applied to doctors, we agreed a new deal in 2008 and the new 14.5% Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-72853846726322483792012-06-01T01:26:17.288+01:002012-06-01T01:26:17.288+01:00http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/31/pens...http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/may/31/pension-strike-doctors?newsfeed=true<br /><br />This bit is interesting:<br /><br />"The NHS pension scheme is not compulsory. If it's really a bad deal, then we might better consider leaving. Such a move would create a need for talks on contract terms – or a chance to create a new institution to look after doctors' interests."<br />Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-43083479426632714202012-05-31T22:21:19.657+01:002012-05-31T22:21:19.657+01:00Your claim that your pension fund has an enormous ...Your claim that your pension fund has an enormous surplus I find surprising. If it is a proper actuarial figure it would suggest that someone has been putting very large amounts into the fund. Most private sector funds are in significant actuarial deficit.<br /><br />Doctors are not being specially selected. Much, if not all, the NHS is having their pensions adjusted adversely. I thought it Old Codgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-610428148049675668.post-54390606852425602942012-05-31T20:08:22.050+01:002012-05-31T20:08:22.050+01:00Speaking as a layman, the trouble is that it's...Speaking as a layman, the trouble is that it's easy for us to see only a narrow picture. Government published figures show the GPs in my PCT area getting between £125,000 (about half of them) and £475,000 (one of them), but when I go on doctors' blogs, they speak of getting much less in general practice, so where are the figures for them? You need better PR as a profession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com